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Daft Punk: Geniuses or Rip off Merchants?
Mar 27 2007You may have seen this doing the rounds on the interweb recently. Sparked by a Daft Punk edition of Palms Out Sounds magnificent Sample Wednesday in which we get to hear just how much songs from Discovery, Human after All and to a lesser extent, Homework utilise WHOLE PARTS of other tunes as the guts of the songs. If you haven’t heard these before, you might be very, very surprised.
Now I’ve laid out my thoughts on Daft Punk in their current carnation before, but regarding the use of these samples there are two schools of thought:
1) The extent to which they have sampled the tunes goes beyond normal sampling and is more like direct pilfering of the songs in question and therefore not cool.
2) The end results of the sampling are better than the original recordings and therefore Daft Punk are musical geniuses for using the samples to such effect.
“Robot Rock”, “Harder Faster Stronger”, “Crescendolls” and “Digital Love” are particular eye-openers. I can’t help but feel that after watching the video, people will feel a little duped. Personally, I think it goes beyond sampling so I would side with the first school of thought. Head over to Palms Out Sounds to hear the full original recordings.
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It’s irrelevant really, because almost everyone is doing it.
1Daft Punk make great music, but if they’re taking this music without permission, then I’m angry at them. But if they’re using the samples with permission, then I couldn’t really care less.
Robot Rock forever. =P
2I look at it this way. Its like a properly retuned car like an Alpina BMW. Its based on a BMW but after being worked over it is an even better BMW.
Reworking samples is part of the culture. What is the fuss about?
And what about DJ Dangermouse and the Beatles? Jay Zs’ 99 Problems superimposed onto Helter Skelter is genius.
Storm in a teacup. Daft Punk know what to sample. That is their art. If it is someone elses song they sample so be it. Its still their art.
3Wow! At the risk of being branded a musical evil-doer (judging by the excessively rave reviews they seem to get and sentiments they seem to inspire on the old blogosphere), I’m gonna go with the
And to add insult to injury, the original ones (of the latter tunes that is) are probably by and large even better, in my stunted musical opinion. God be with the glory days of Homework and Alive 97 - O Daft Punk why have you forsaken me?
4It’s kind of the same problem I have with Massive Attack… basically all of their shit is jacked from old reggae tracks, and it kills me.
5I’m a musician that’s no stranger to sampling, so my perspective is a bit off the norm on this.
On one hand I am a bit surprised at the overall length of the samples used. But on the otherhand I can see that each Daft Punk record helps to build a larger image of who they are and what their music is all about. I’d say no individual sample has been left un-tweaked, or used raw, so the effect of their choice of sampling is where the art is located.
One can always make a youtube clip comparing the original with the sample (and don’t you dare consider doing this with DJ Shadow, or you’ll have an even bigger debate). In a way, it’s a bit of a low-blow, as the sampled version will almost always sound “less authentic” in a way.
Plus, their tracks rock.
Regardless, good blog!
6there’s a big difference between using a sample and using a chunk of a song to form the backbone of the new song, or basically the ENTIRE song which is what Daft Punk have done. I reckon most people wouldn’t realise that this stuff would sample and would think that DP were creating all original material.
7“most people” couldn’t care less. I mean listen to Trickys Maxinquaye with its Portishead samples.
This is all very silly. Daft Punk made good songs/samples even better. This organic/originality thing is a rip off. Everything is copied from everyone else.
As an example who wants to listen to the original of Brim full of Asha? Its total rubbish The remix is far better.
Whinging about a 6 year old Daft Punk album now just makes you sound like an old fart.
What about Eskiimo and their mixtapes? They are substantial rip offs that make the original sound better.
This is all a storm in a rather dated teacup.
8It’s hardly dated billy,
These are the same songs ( their “latest”) that Daft Punk will be playing at all the Summer Festivals that a lot of people will be going mad for.
The point is that most people don’t know the extent of the sampling, so it’s definitely worth a look.
9Ok. Fair cop.
Still they are DJs and I don’t think they hid anything apart from their identities.
Lets get the Consumer affairs guys onto them and ban all sampling. Lets get the Taliban in to regulate it. It will be brilliant.
Then lets copyright all sounds, notes and chords.
10now it’s you that’s sounding silly.
11For the record, these samples have all been cleared and are credited on the liner notes. So it’s only an “artistic” rip off that you are claiming.
I agree that the taliban should be in charge of sample clearances! makes sense to me! hahahah
12What I was trying to say was that if you look for holes you are going to find them. Everyone copys everyone else. Its the way things progress. Heroes is a rip off of the Fanstastic Four. Smallville is a ripoff of superman. Prince is a (genius) rip off of the bastard child of Carlos Santana and James Brown.
If you don’t like what Daft Punk did go and get your 20 Euro back from Golden Discs.
Bing able to mix, remix and copy other prior art is a fundamental part of music. So what if it is not original. Not a lot is.
13Sampling disparate 70s and 80s records to become the absolute zeitgeist of 90s pop music is actually pretty difficult, not least when you consider that Daft Punk had such a vivid and forceful package of graphic design and video behind them, that’s why they were so popular and ultimately just became loved by huge amounts of people.
They chose the right records, they chose the right aesthetic. Great pop music is every bit as much about choices of image and aesthetics as it is about innovative music. And it only seems to lack innovation in hindsight. If they’d chose different records, would they have succeeded in the way that they did? Who knows…
Ask yourself, has any artist ever succeeded to the point that Daft Punk did on Discovery by making old music seem new? And if not, why not?
If people want to be hardcore on the “authenticity” vibe here I know plenty of dance fans who’d say “Homework” was just a weak ass rip off of Chicago House, watered down for the mainstream, or that actually every dance crossover album is just a ripoff of more underground music…
Who here had heard of any of the tracks before they were sampled? Disco afficionados maybe…but I think it’s very shaky ground to listen to these tracks after you already know them from hits by one of the biggest and most visual acts of the last 20 years and say “what a great original track they stole from”
If these tracks have life it’s because Daft Punk gave them life.
14sorry the only exception is “robot rock” where sampling the whole thing was crap because the song was a shit pastiche of themselves circa discovery, not a good pastiche of other acts…
15I agree with Ronan. We are just copies and mash ups of our parents. Why can’t music be the same?
16Actually, that might be a bit extreme Billy don’t ya think?
17Extreme example to prove a point. What I meant to say was to patent the notes sounds and chords. Then nobody could copy anybody else.
If it was underhand and controversial then maybe they have a case to answer to but I don’t see anything underhand apart from rampant sampling.
Counting Crows version of Big Yellow Taxi. Now there is a crime against humanity.
18“If you don’t like what Daft Punk did go and get your 20 Euro back from Golden Discs.”
i don’t think niall gets his stuff from golden discs. in fact i don’t think anyone gets stuff from golden discs, unless one is checking out the extensive pop selection…
19but that’s a discussion for another day
Golden discs just has Shania Twain and other muck like that. I ditched cds a long time ago.
Anyway does anyone have any Eskiimo tracks?
20aaahh now
you’ve got to love a bit of the aul’ shania
- leigh
21Like Biz Markie without the vocals.
22Just a correction here, tricky and portishead sampled the same Issac Hayes song (Isaac Hayes’ Ike’s Rap II), they didn’t sample each other.
23if you think their rip-off merchants, then you must think that justice, oizo, and just about the whole ed banger crew are aswell, along with most of the electro house scene’s artists. because if you hadn’t noticed, basically every song has been sampled from older music and turned into the music you like. it doesnt ’suck’, and their not rip-off’s, because you like it, and would have never known about the samples unless you did like it.
justice - phantom
24oizo - patrick122
all of it is ancient music.
get lives.
if you think their rip-off merchants, then you must think that justice, oizo, and just about the whole ed banger crew are aswell, along with most of the electro house scene’s artists. because if you hadn’t noticed, basically every song has been sampled from older music and turned into the music you like. it doesnt ’suck’, and their not rip-off’s, because you like it, and would have never known about the samples unless you did like it.
justice - phantom
25oizo - patrick122
all of it is ancient music.
get lives.
Is it me or is it pretty much universally unacceptable to merely question daft punk by way of a blog?
26Pretty Much Mike.
Pretty much..
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